Dr. Ben Bikman

No, fructose itself will not elicit an insulin response whatsoever.

Now, the body will convert some of that fructose to glucose, which is why the diabetic who's gone hypoglycemic can just drink a cup of orange juice.

And within minutes, it'll start to, you know, that's such a concentrated load of fructose that they will see a glycemic excursion.

But no, fructose isn't the same.

But even still...

Depending on the person, you know, you and I were two lean, healthy people.

We could get away with it.

If I'm talking to an overweight type two diabetic, then I say, all right, well, the most sugary of the fruits, just be more careful with like, say, a mango or a banana.

Then I would say, all right, you maybe want to be a little more careful because your disorder is you don't burn glucose.

You don't burn sugar very well.

And so you just be careful with the most sugary of the fruits, but then everything else enjoy liberally.

But if I recall, the— No, in fact, they were able—it was ad libitum.

And then they found that the plant-based group just spontaneously ate less.

So, yeah.

So the 2021 study, they one of the powers of that study, and it's not a perfect one, which I can articulate, was that they allowed them to just eat freely.

But you got to follow these kinds of balance and you follow this pattern, you follow that pattern.

And if I recall, the plant based he he rejoiced in the fact that it challenged the carbohydrate insulin theory of obesity.

Which I can articulate in a moment because they found that the higher carb group spontaneously ate about 700 calories a day less.

Does that sound right?

I think that's right.