Dr. Ben Bikman

So they just spontaneously were eating less because they could eat freely.

They just ate and 700 calories a day is a meaningful amount to just spontaneously eat less of.

That did challenge the idea because one view, I actually don't like.

Yeah, they did.

They did.

Yeah.

But it was, this is modest.

I mean, to be fair to the study, they did a good job controlling it.

To be a little critical of the study, the findings were exceptionally modest.

This is the kind of thing where it was like one pound versus two pounds.

And it was two weeks.

And it was a very small study.

And a lot of what Kevin has done is a lot of these kind of mathematical modeling outcomes where they sort of speculate or extrapolate beyond the data that they get.

So they found that they spontaneously ate 700 calories a day less.

That challenged one of the central ideas of the carbohydrate insulin model, which is if you spike insulin, you get hungry.

And he was saying, well, they ate all these carbs.

Mind you, it was mostly plant-based.

Complex carbs.

Exactly.

Fiber.