Dr. Cali Estes

And a lot of people say, well, they're not sober.

If it's working for them,

Leave it alone.

So if they're not off the rails with drinking and a DUI and they're smoking weed at night instead, and they're still going to work and now they're producing and they're productive, then that's a win.

So I look at that as a win.

I like how you put that.

So the guideline is you're better today than you were yesterday.

That's my only guideline.

And we do it as a stepping stone.

So you're better today than you were yesterday.

Tomorrow, I want you to be a little better than you were today.

And we keep going up.

And sometimes you drop back down and we go back up the ladder until you get to the point where you can go, I don't want any of this.

That's the goal.

But there are people that say, you know, I'm always going to want to have a glass of wine with the steak.

Fine.

If you have one glass of wine with that steak and you can walk away and not have anything for two weeks, then have at it.

See, so you're already on the ladder where you're saying, okay, well, I'm going to have a couple of drinks because I know I have off tomorrow and I can chill or I'm not going to have any because what's the point?

Right.

So it takes clients a little while to get there.