Dr. Caroline Fleck

Now, if you say I deeply care about animals and therefore I'm going to select and really put my money behind folks who are trying to change that industry, that I can respect. Unfortunately, I often doubt the, actors in the positions of changing it. Like it takes so much research to really know and understand the distribution process and what's going on there.

Now, if you say I deeply care about animals and therefore I'm going to select and really put my money behind folks who are trying to change that industry, that I can respect. Unfortunately, I often doubt the, actors in the positions of changing it. Like it takes so much research to really know and understand the distribution process and what's going on there.

And like, if I had those resources, I think I would, I mean, I would, I would probably go that route. Um, I don't. And so the easier route for me is just to say like nothing.

And like, if I had those resources, I think I would, I mean, I would, I would probably go that route. Um, I don't. And so the easier route for me is just to say like nothing.

And like, if I had those resources, I think I would, I mean, I would, I would probably go that route. Um, I don't. And so the easier route for me is just to say like nothing.

I'm just vegetarian. And actually, I love that you asked that because I think this is, we don't reckon with cognitive dissonance very well. We think we've got to go like all black or all white. Like, okay, I care about animals, so it's got to be to this degree, right? Which is kind of what I was just saying. Now, the reality is, like I said, when I tried to go vegan, it like almost killed me.

I'm just vegetarian. And actually, I love that you asked that because I think this is, we don't reckon with cognitive dissonance very well. We think we've got to go like all black or all white. Like, okay, I care about animals, so it's got to be to this degree, right? Which is kind of what I was just saying. Now, the reality is, like I said, when I tried to go vegan, it like almost killed me.

I'm just vegetarian. And actually, I love that you asked that because I think this is, we don't reckon with cognitive dissonance very well. We think we've got to go like all black or all white. Like, okay, I care about animals, so it's got to be to this degree, right? Which is kind of what I was just saying. Now, the reality is, like I said, when I tried to go vegan, it like almost killed me.

Like I wasn't eating. I do not cook, which is embarrassing to admit in front of- tons of people, but it's true. I've tried in the past, but I would have to make such lifestyle changes that I just haven't been able to make and sustain. So I do eat a little bit of dairy products. And I do that with open eyes. I do that with intentional awareness of what that industry looks like.

Like I wasn't eating. I do not cook, which is embarrassing to admit in front of- tons of people, but it's true. I've tried in the past, but I would have to make such lifestyle changes that I just haven't been able to make and sustain. So I do eat a little bit of dairy products. And I do that with open eyes. I do that with intentional awareness of what that industry looks like.

Like I wasn't eating. I do not cook, which is embarrassing to admit in front of- tons of people, but it's true. I've tried in the past, but I would have to make such lifestyle changes that I just haven't been able to make and sustain. So I do eat a little bit of dairy products. And I do that with open eyes. I do that with intentional awareness of what that industry looks like.

And again, as you described, trying to opt into companies that say they're doing better, whatever. But I'm not proud of that fact. And I think that's okay. I think it's something I would work toward and that I want to change. And I know that just right now where I'm at in my life, I'm not there. But that would be the end goal for me.

And again, as you described, trying to opt into companies that say they're doing better, whatever. But I'm not proud of that fact. And I think that's okay. I think it's something I would work toward and that I want to change. And I know that just right now where I'm at in my life, I'm not there. But that would be the end goal for me.

And again, as you described, trying to opt into companies that say they're doing better, whatever. But I'm not proud of that fact. And I think that's okay. I think it's something I would work toward and that I want to change. And I know that just right now where I'm at in my life, I'm not there. But that would be the end goal for me.

It's horrific. Yeah, it is horrific. And not even for animals, but just for the the planet and also the people operating within those industries, which interestingly, I've also had a couple of clients, you know, who worked in factory farms and stuff like that. And it is just it's a devastatingly dark reality to be perpetuating torture to the extent that we do to sustain factory farming.

It's horrific. Yeah, it is horrific. And not even for animals, but just for the the planet and also the people operating within those industries, which interestingly, I've also had a couple of clients, you know, who worked in factory farms and stuff like that. And it is just it's a devastatingly dark reality to be perpetuating torture to the extent that we do to sustain factory farming.

It's horrific. Yeah, it is horrific. And not even for animals, but just for the the planet and also the people operating within those industries, which interestingly, I've also had a couple of clients, you know, who worked in factory farms and stuff like that. And it is just it's a devastatingly dark reality to be perpetuating torture to the extent that we do to sustain factory farming.

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