Dr. Christof (Christoph) Koch

And you just gave me an example.

Your experience of VR and realizing what it is to have a black skin compared to a white skin, right?

This was clearly a beneficial experience that enables you to be more emphatic with other people, right?

And try to better understand what they mean when they talk about explicit or implicit racism, right?

And it changed you profoundly.

And you're telling me this happened when?

2008?

All right.

So, you know, so that's eight years ago.

So clearly it lasted.

So I think for most conditions, we can certainly improve them.

You have to believe that you can change.

Right.

So if you're being told, oh, the story is it's all the system is nothing you can do is just hopeless.

You can just change.

you know, take this pill and suffer through to the end of your days.

That I think highly counterproductive.

No, you have to believe I'm an active agent of my own mind.

I can shape my reality.

I would call it my perception box with various, you know, ways, either talk therapy or psychedelic therapy or some other therapy.