Dr. Christof (Christoph) Koch

We also have some pilot data to show that those patients that are conscious compared to the patients that are truly unconscious in this behavioral wakefulness state, that they have a better chance to recovery.

Yeah, so this was a case back in 1998 or 2000 under President Bush.

She had a cardiac arrest, was diagnosed,

The heart was started up again.

She was in the state for 14 years.

And then there was this fight between her husband who said that she didn't want to be in this state and her parents that were profoundly devout that said, no, we want to keep you alive.

And went back and forth.

And finally, the court allowed her withdrawal of life support.

So she died after 14 years.

And the analysis, the postmortem showed in her case, her brain was totally shrunk in her case.

know we didn't do this procedure then we didn't have it but clearly it's she was probably one of the 75 patient that are truly unconscious yeah so it's important to get this into the icu so in fact i started a company called intrinsic powers because it's the intrinsic powers of the brain that mediate consciousness and we're now trying we met with the fda and they said well you this is all

Cool, but you really need to do a clinical trial.

So we're trying to fundraise now.

So if anyone in the audience here is willing to invest in this, to get this procedure into the ICU so we can tell for sure, is this patient conscious or are they just non-responsive?

So it pertains to what we said early on.

The fact that you don't behave is not the same as the fact that you're unconscious.

Those are two different things.

Yes.

So, A, typically people don't, when they do recover, they typically don't have explicit memory.

Because, again, memory is something different than actually being, you know, conscious experience.