Dr. Dacher Keltner

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919 appearances 1 recordings 1 series first heard Apr 2026 last heard 29 Apr

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The Liz Moody Podcast · Listen To This If Your Life Feels "Meh" (A Simple Science-Backed Fix) · 29 Apr 2026 podcast

I do a lot of work with Kaiser Permanente, one of the largest healthcare deliverers in the country, if not the largest.

You go to the doctor and let's say you're feeling chronic pain, which is a $10 billion problem.

And it leads to opioid addiction.

They look at you and they're like, well, you know, we can give you some pharmaceuticals.

Very rarely, but they should be recommending a dietary approach to less inflammation.

And then there are all these things that give us awe that reduce pain, right?

Getting out in nature, watching sunsets, new study out on music, which produces awe, reduces pain as powerfully as pharmaceuticals, right?

So they're getting very interested in awe through music and visual art and nature, thinking about the moral beauty of people as a way to handle fundamental health problems.

And I think we now have the science to make the case.

Thank you for asking that question because I spent 10 years

In obscurity, working on that.

Awe is an emotion.

And thank you for already letting our audience know that we should be thinking about awe in relationship to fear and beauty and admiration and gratitude.

And we'll get to that.

But awe is this emotion we feel when we encounter vast things that are vast emotions.

physically or semantically, a big tree, a big idea, you know, an earthquake or, you know, things that are just vast beyond our typical frame of reference.

And that are mysterious, that are like, I don't understand that.

I can't categorize it.

You know, I was backpacking with my daughter, Natalie, and we got up high in the Sierras and this once in every thousand year storm came over us.

And I was like, man, look at those clouds.

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