Dr. David Burns

She seems to be in a lot of my workshops and she must be a really neat person. I found out you were. But this fellow drove me to the airport and he said he was a psychiatrist and he loved the workshop. But he said, it just seems to me you're messing out on an important thing, which is you don't seem to address the causes of depression and anxiety.

And what I felt like telling him, and he was such a nice guy, I didn't exactly challenge him. But, you know, the cause of depression and anxiety, the causes are not yet known to science, right? And so the idea that you can rummage through your past and discover the cause of something is kind of bizarre or bizarre. Well, I don't want to say childish because that would be controversial.

And what I felt like telling him, and he was such a nice guy, I didn't exactly challenge him. But, you know, the cause of depression and anxiety, the causes are not yet known to science, right? And so the idea that you can rummage through your past and discover the cause of something is kind of bizarre or bizarre. Well, I don't want to say childish because that would be controversial.

You would never be controversial. Not very bright because that would be insulting. So I won't say those things, but I am thinking those things. And, you know, why don't we have some humility and work with what we've got? And because we can help people change their lives. But, you know, claiming we know the causes of things, it strikes me as arrogant and not very critical thinking in my view.

You would never be controversial. Not very bright because that would be insulting. So I won't say those things, but I am thinking those things. And, you know, why don't we have some humility and work with what we've got? And because we can help people change their lives. But, you know, claiming we know the causes of things, it strikes me as arrogant and not very critical thinking in my view.

major in college was the philosophy of science. And we kind of learned how to think about things more critically and from a scientific perspective. So I think, you know, your idea there, Angela, is certainly consistent with my thinking.

major in college was the philosophy of science. And we kind of learned how to think about things more critically and from a scientific perspective. So I think, you know, your idea there, Angela, is certainly consistent with my thinking.

So can I jump in with an opposite view?

So can I jump in with an opposite view?

No, no. Back to you, Angela.

No, no. Back to you, Angela.

So I know, Angela, you are very talented. You're well-trained. Like David said, you've gone to a million trainings. I've been on the receiving end of your teachings. I think you have so much insight. And you've worked really hard to be a really great therapist and trainer.

So I know, Angela, you are very talented. You're well-trained. Like David said, you've gone to a million trainings. I've been on the receiving end of your teachings. I think you have so much insight. And you've worked really hard to be a really great therapist and trainer.

And people in my Wednesday group say every once in a while, I've taken a class with Angela Poach and always really welcome their comments. And so when you say you're a coach and you're coaching clients, I know that they're in really great hands. you talk about coaching as a non-regulated profession. I've also heard people say, Oh, I went, I was an alcoholic or a substance abuser.

And people in my Wednesday group say every once in a while, I've taken a class with Angela Poach and always really welcome their comments. And so when you say you're a coach and you're coaching clients, I know that they're in really great hands. you talk about coaching as a non-regulated profession. I've also heard people say, Oh, I went, I was an alcoholic or a substance abuser.

And now I'm going to coach people and I'm going to charge them $200 an hour. And I've heard people say, Oh yeah, I went through a divorce. It was really high conflict. I learned so much from it. Now I'm going to coach people how to get through their divorce. And I'm going to charge a ton of money for that. And yeah,

And now I'm going to coach people and I'm going to charge them $200 an hour. And I've heard people say, Oh yeah, I went through a divorce. It was really high conflict. I learned so much from it. Now I'm going to coach people how to get through their divorce. And I'm going to charge a ton of money for that. And yeah,

I have difficulty with people because they want to coach through their personal experience instead of through training and knowledge.

I have difficulty with people because they want to coach through their personal experience instead of through training and knowledge.

And so that's my struggle when I hear the word coach. Like, what is someone getting? I know when someone is getting... hopefully a licensed mental health professional, that they've gone through some ethics, that they know about boundaries, that they have some basic level of training and education.