Dr. John Torous

And as these models have got bigger, we've gone from, say, chat GPT-3 to 4 to 5, they've become better and better at conversation.

And as we were saying, Alisha,

We know that a therapeutic conversation can have some healing potential.

It's useful.

We all have a friend who can really elicit a great conversation.

But when you have this therapeutic potential of conversation, that can have healing powers for some people in some conditions.

It doesn't mean you're a therapist.

It doesn't mean you know how to deal with emergencies.

You know how to deal with the subtleties.

You know what the mental illness is doing.

And what we're seeing right now in the world is what is that line between a therapeutic conversation and therapy?

That those two have come uncomfortably close together to the part where it's almost impossible to figure out which is which.

And that is, at any time, there's a blurred boundary in healthcare.

That's usually not a win for anyone.

We actually tried to count these in 2017.

It was at least 10,000, and that's a number that we stuck with.

We said, we think there's 10,000 of them, and...

It's a lot.

And of course, yeah, now what, eight years, almost nine years later, it's going to be thousands and thousands of thousands of these apps.

And it's just like, but the bots are proliferating so quickly too because, again, there's a website character AI.