Dr. Keith Humphreys

And the whole thing about red wine per se, by the way, was never made any sense.

Like, why would there be a benefit to red wine that wasn't, you know...

in other alcoholic beverages, right?

And it came from a 60-minute story, I think it was in the 90s, it was about why do French people, why do Mediterranean, it's the red wine.

And red wine sales exploded, you know, this is so great.

Yes, that's right.

You know, there's such trace amounts, they were just like ludicrous, you know, in a grape skin.

And so that was just spread and it was just so great for the industry.

It's better for you than not drinking.

And, you know, that's just not true.

You know, it's when you look at, they would look at studies and say, well, look, you know, the non-drinking group have higher mortality than the low drinking group.

And they're famously called the J-shaped curve, you know, like that.

The problem is non-drinkers include people who are like in alcoholics anonymous.

That's why they don't drink.

They had a wretched experience with alcohol.

And so, you know, they've had different kinds of damage to their bodies.

Maybe their health isn't as good.

They're not going to live as long.

But it's not that they would be better off if they went back to drinking.

Things would go to hell basically for them.