Dr. Marc Gafni

Now mix the tenderness, that infinite tenderness with the infinite raw desire, mix them together and then exponentialize it beyond numbers.

That's what God's feeling about you, looking at you in that moment.

That's the truth of reality.

Right, right.

No, no, no, totally.

And Jake has that beautiful sincerity, you know, in that, you know, like, and it's got to get down to that very basic sense of

How does any real intimacy created?

So God's the infinite in it.

Is loving me with this infinite personal depth that we just kind of described and evoked

We know that God's listening.

We did the pointing out instruction.

So how do I start the conversation?

So you have to start the conversation honestly.

And I think that's what you were saying to Jake very beautifully, which is what do you really need and why?

Now, we have this kind of, there's two poles.

You know, one pole is kind of this

old religious pull in which you know prayer becomes a kind of cosmic vending machine

And prayer is clearly not a cosmic vending machine, but it's not just, oh, get me what I need.

And at the same time, we also have this other kind of new age pull that actually kind of mocks, you know, any prayer that asks for needs, right?

That's not real prayer.