Dr. Marc Gafni

That's the ability, right.

That's the ability to travel through time.

That is Kvitzat Hadrach, right?

That is, so you pronounce it, so we'll pronounce it right.

Kvitzat Hadrach, or something like that.

Right, right, it's this, right?

So this is basically Frank Herbert, stoned in 1964, literally reading a Hasidic text,

which says the master who participates in the quality of Messiah can travel through time.

So he writes it down, right?

Literally, right?

That's literally how it happened.

He writes it down in this kind of, you know, right?

As you pronounced it, but it is actually that it's literally, it's the jumping of time.

That's right.

That's right.

And so we're going to come back because this is, this is right.

This is actually, Dune is very important here.

It's got a lot of the themes and he was actually, Herbert was listening to two lineages.

He was listening to a Buddhist lineage and a Hebrew mystical lineage and he was

He was kind of, you know, through the drugs of the early 60s, kind of merging them beautifully in his mind and, you know, spawning this world.