Dr. Nicholas Wright

There won't be hierarchy and there won't be leadership.

And partly that's because there will always be followers, right?

And there will always be leaders and there will always be followers.

And that's because the followers' brains like to follow and the leaders' brains like to lead.

And that makes up the structure of our society.

That's part of it.

then there's a second uh point which is sometimes you need leaders right so if you have a military you can't have everybody having a good old discussion about what they should be doing because you need a decisive leader um and that's why i think um and if you look at the roman uh uh the roman republic there were periods where they would uh have decisive leadership right they would essentially give a decisive leader far more power so that they could make the and it's

same thing in theme and democracy, so they could then make the types of decisions that were needed urgently, right?

So for those two sets of reasons, one, we basically, as humans, like to live in hierarchical societies, whether that's something that people are comfortable agreeing with or not.

And secondly, there are just so many examples where having a more hierarchical society, certainly in part, can make you more effective.

Yeah, I mean, I think that if you just scatter people around, I mean, it is basically, I don't think it's going to work for a wide variety of reasons, because you would scatter people around, but then people will assault into leaders.

You look at somebody, I don't know if you probably saw, just last fall, I think, and you had Donald Trump gathered around the titans of the US tech industry in the White House, and you saw them sitting at this big table,

And a deaf person or a monkey could probably have worked out who was the big leader and who were all the subordinate people around that table.

That's just the way people organize.

And that comes through two things, as I said.

You get that political power.

through dominance, you know, yes, they had a lot of money, those tech leaders, but the guy who has the dominance, you know, the security operations on is Donald Trump.

And then secondly, he is a very effective politician.

He is, you know, very good at politics.

That's been amply demonstrated, certainly now, you know, winning a second term, and that gives him an enormous amount of prestige as well, politically.