Dr. Richard Winters

You can see that the leader has a huge effect on that. And then organizationally, how are we looking at this? Are we looking at whether our employees, our colleagues are burned out? And if so, are we doing anything about it? Is it important to us? How are we making decisions? How are we telling our values and displaying these throughout the organization?

And so there's all these different levels from the leadership level to the individual level that has this huge effect on an individual's sense of burnout or not.

And so there's all these different levels from the leadership level to the individual level that has this huge effect on an individual's sense of burnout or not.

And so there's all these different levels from the leadership level to the individual level that has this huge effect on an individual's sense of burnout or not.

Yeah, and you raised something great. So let's say, Heather, let's pretend that you're burned out and you come to me. And so I'm like, okay, Heather, geez, you know, I've been burned out before. I recommend you read this book and this is what I've seen work and this is what's worked for me. Okay, good conversation, move along. That's oftentimes what happens.

Yeah, and you raised something great. So let's say, Heather, let's pretend that you're burned out and you come to me. And so I'm like, okay, Heather, geez, you know, I've been burned out before. I recommend you read this book and this is what I've seen work and this is what's worked for me. Okay, good conversation, move along. That's oftentimes what happens.

Yeah, and you raised something great. So let's say, Heather, let's pretend that you're burned out and you come to me. And so I'm like, okay, Heather, geez, you know, I've been burned out before. I recommend you read this book and this is what I've seen work and this is what's worked for me. Okay, good conversation, move along. That's oftentimes what happens.

Like our conversations with colleagues are, how can I help you? How can I help fix you? That doesn't really tend to work out. And so for a leader to meet with someone on that perspective, not so helpful. What would it be like though, if I approached you and said, so, you know, tell me about what's going on. What are you thinking? Like what's been working for you?

Like our conversations with colleagues are, how can I help you? How can I help fix you? That doesn't really tend to work out. And so for a leader to meet with someone on that perspective, not so helpful. What would it be like though, if I approached you and said, so, you know, tell me about what's going on. What are you thinking? Like what's been working for you?

Like our conversations with colleagues are, how can I help you? How can I help fix you? That doesn't really tend to work out. And so for a leader to meet with someone on that perspective, not so helpful. What would it be like though, if I approached you and said, so, you know, tell me about what's going on. What are you thinking? Like what's been working for you?

I hear you on the one hand say this, and the other hand you're saying this. How do you put these things together? Like what do you want to do to move forward? What's your goal here? It's a very different approach. It's no longer am I the expert, it's now you're the expert of the situation. And so what I'm doing is I'm coaching you.

I hear you on the one hand say this, and the other hand you're saying this. How do you put these things together? Like what do you want to do to move forward? What's your goal here? It's a very different approach. It's no longer am I the expert, it's now you're the expert of the situation. And so what I'm doing is I'm coaching you.

I hear you on the one hand say this, and the other hand you're saying this. How do you put these things together? Like what do you want to do to move forward? What's your goal here? It's a very different approach. It's no longer am I the expert, it's now you're the expert of the situation. And so what I'm doing is I'm coaching you.

I'm asking you questions that help you make sense of what's going on in your life. And at some point there may be something that you say that I think, you know what, there's some information I'm not sure that Heather knows would be helpful if I told you this. And then I teach a little bit.

I'm asking you questions that help you make sense of what's going on in your life. And at some point there may be something that you say that I think, you know what, there's some information I'm not sure that Heather knows would be helpful if I told you this. And then I teach a little bit.

I'm asking you questions that help you make sense of what's going on in your life. And at some point there may be something that you say that I think, you know what, there's some information I'm not sure that Heather knows would be helpful if I told you this. And then I teach a little bit.

So I don't know if you know this, but it's from what I've heard, professional athletes get in these cycles where if they over train and they overwork, then they get injured. And what they've started to do is they started to put in some time for recovery because stress plus rest equals growth. And my sense is that you're in this place of stress and there's not a lot of rest.

So I don't know if you know this, but it's from what I've heard, professional athletes get in these cycles where if they over train and they overwork, then they get injured. And what they've started to do is they started to put in some time for recovery because stress plus rest equals growth. And my sense is that you're in this place of stress and there's not a lot of rest.

So I don't know if you know this, but it's from what I've heard, professional athletes get in these cycles where if they over train and they overwork, then they get injured. And what they've started to do is they started to put in some time for recovery because stress plus rest equals growth. And my sense is that you're in this place of stress and there's not a lot of rest.

What are your thoughts about that? So I pepper in a little bit of knowledge there. It's not me telling you what to do. I'm sharing something and then you're processing it. And so really our good leader knows how to do that. And as we're talking about leaders, that doesn't necessarily mean someone with a title. I think, you know, leaders at all levels.