Dr. Sue Varma

And there's this idea of nature-relatedness, that do you appreciate nature?

So my dad has a nature journal, he'll talk about the flowers, and I very much appreciate that and that beauty.

One of the museums I was at in Hakone in Japan, there was a quote from Van Gogh under one of the photos and it said that, you know, if you appreciate nature, you will see the beauty in life.

And I think that the older generation is more in tune with real life conversations, with appreciation for nature, for books, for literature.

So give them books.

What do you want to read?

So populate their calendar proud out.

That's going to be the best way you're going to win with them.