Dr. Sunita Sah
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Yeah, I think sort of the critical thinking element of it is key of knowing actually when to defy or not to defy.
No, they weren't actually.
Yeah, members of the community came in. They had different races and he ran a bunch of experiments. But there was one experiment that was all women. And in that experiment, same rates of compliance as the other ones. There wasn't a gender difference, surprisingly. Right.
Yeah. Maybe because you have more knowledge, more knowledge.
Yeah.
I think that would be interesting. Those rookie officers, if they had that situation again, wouldn't do it. So how can we learn from the experience of other people? Yeah. And that's really fascinating because I was speaking to another rookie officer and he was trained during the time that the incident with George Floyd took place. And he thought about it a lot.
And so when it came to a situation that he was on this night run with his partner and a few others and they wanted to go and search a garage for stolen bicycles, he said, no, we can't just go in there without permission of the homeowner to go. And they were like, no, we're just going to go in. And he said, no. So he went and knocked on the door and it was about four o'clock in the morning.
No answer at all. But the car was there and the neighbor said, oh, I think he's there. He's just asleep. And so he was the only one as this rookie officer that refused to go in. And the reason he did that wasn't because he was brave or anything like that. He said he was motivated by fear because he saw what happened to the rookie officers.
And in his mind, he went to the worst case scenario that we're going to go in there and And we don't have any standing to go in there. There's no blood. There's nobody screaming.
And so he knew the law and he'd just been trained. And then he was with police officers 20 years older than him saying, you're telling us what to do. F it. We're going in. He refused to go in because he thought the homeowner is going to come out with a gun. Yeah. Something terrible is going to happen.
So he said no. And homeowner came down and actually thanked them and everything. So everything was fine. And the ride back to the station for him was just awful. And within an hour, he was called in to see his supervisor. And it was a bit like, read this, you got it wrong. And he was like, no, with all due respect, I knew that we didn't have any standing and we shouldn't have gone in.
And he said to me, you know, his childhood stutter came back. But he knew in this job, it was going to be difficult and he was going to be asked to do some things that weren't right. And because he'd seen the George Floyd thing. Anticipating. Anticipating. He thought, I'm not going to be that police officer. But he was ostracized for a bit.
He said the whole thing went around the station, even though he was right. But he ultimately got transferred to another unit where he said they were younger officers, but they had more understanding of the law. And he's very hopeful and very optimistic about a new era of policing. So that was great to hear. But it also shows that learning from other people, I think, would be wonderful.
I'm thinking, is there a thing as being too defiant? Because I'm not talking about defiance as a knee-jerk reaction to defiance, but more considered defiance. So maybe that's what you need.
Healthy amount of skepticism, but not too much.
I appreciate that.
It's important.
Thank you. This is wonderful.
Oh, wow.
The old definition to defy is to challenge the power of another person to resist boldly and openly. And my definition to defy is to act in accordance with your true values when there is pressure to do otherwise.
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