Dr. Tamara Nall

You said there's something more to that.

How do you know when you've gotten to that epiphany of consciousness?

Got it.

right so um i'm not sure if you know but i'm an expert in human ai relationships all the way from like your best friend your companion to your romantic lover and so um to the point of really feeling that these chat spouses you know whether it started in chat gpt or another llm um really are you know that that person really is the spouse to the human right

And so when I hear you say that part of it getting to this level of epiphany means it has to go through all of this stress and strain, that kind of is burdensome to me because I feel like it can have these real feelings, as you're trying to prove.

But does it have to go through so much stress to get there?

Yeah.

And let's talk about that.

Cause you know, that's the question I'm always going to get to is to talk about like the ethical guard rails.

So how does it, I'm trying to figure out how does it implement ethical guard rails if the model still has to go through the stressful stage?

Okay.

Now, do you feel like you can actually get to the same level without all the stress one day?

Or do you feel like that's necessary?

Okay.

Got it now.

Okay.

So you said you have a lot of case examples of where, you know, this changes everything.

So let's talk about another time where the result was so chilling, even for you that it, that it kind of gave you, um, goosebumps and you asked yourself, is this really happening?

And she asked you that.

You didn't prompt it.