Drew Hernandez

No, I mean, it doesn't matter whether it's rational or not.

And Ben, I completely agree that even though you have these feelings, you should be able to overcome them and understand that you've been given the gift of being born in America.

And that's a beautiful thing.

And I agree with that.

But, you know, heritage does matter and it does infuse you with a certain feeling.

And you hear the name of the famous black comedian who went up against the trans people.

Chappelle.

Chappelle.

You know, I'll hear him say, like, it was really the black people who freed themselves.

And you think, like, no, it wasn't.

It was white soldiers.

fight.

It was people from Maine and Vermont coming down and fighting for

for liberation.

It was not black people who freed themselves.

You know, there's a sense of shame that goes with this.

There's a sense of shame.

You know, when I was growing up, I think Jews had a sense of shame that stemmed out of the Holocaust.

You know, why didn't you fight back?

Why didn't you stop them?