Dwarkesh

People have asked, your co-founder and previous CEO left to go to Meta recently.

And people have asked, well, if there was a lot of breakthroughs being made, that seems like a thing that should have been unlikely.

I wonder how you respond.

It sounds like SSI's plan is to be a company that is at the frontier when you get to this very important period in human history where you have superhuman intelligence and you have these ideas about how to make superhuman intelligence go well.

But other companies will be trying their own ideas

What distinguishes SSI's approach to making superintelligence go well?

Speaking of forecasts, what are your forecasts to this system you're describing, which can learn as well as a human and subsequently, as a result, become superhuman?

I think like 5 to 20.

5 to 20 years?

So I just want to unroll your...

how you might see the world coming it's like we have a couple more years where these other companies are continuing the current approach and it stalls out and stalls out here meaning they earn no more than low hundreds of billions in revenue or how do you think about what stalling out means yeah i think the i think it could i think it could stall out and i think stalling out will look like

But something in your model implies that

when the correct solution does emerge, there will be convergence between all the companies.

And I'm curious why you think that's the case.

Well, I was talking more about convergence on their largest strategies.

I just want to better understand how you see the future enrolling.

So currently we have these different companies and you expect their approach to continue generating revenue.

Yes.

But not get to this human-like learner.

Yes.