Eileen Wilder

I'm really, really excited about this conversation, but I want to take you back in time, like a decade or so ago.

And a lot of our people are in their career.

They're maybe stuck in a box.

They build themselves over the years and they're like, I don't know if I can ever leave because I've been doing this for so long.

Take us back in time to your life.

like a decade ago.

What was it like even?

I want to go there just for a second because it happened to me in corporate, right?

So radically, you live a good life.

To everybody externally, you have a home, you have the family.

Why are you not grateful, right?

And I think sometimes that's so hard to say, even though I should be grateful, I need something different.

So Eileen, what happened there?

But I will go there because I think for me as well, when I was at the bottom of my barrel, the health symptoms were there.

I suddenly couldn't breathe and suddenly I'm hospitalized.

And I'm like, this is weird.

I run triathlons.

Why am I now like can't breathe and hospitalized?

Something is weird.

But I think it's like your entire body is just telling you you're in a mess.