Elaine Culotti

You have to capture the narrative.

You have to capture the procedure.

Procedure being ghostwriting of studies.

It is...

absolutely diabolical campaign finance.

I mean, it starts with things like Citizens United, and then it moves into the ways in which doors have been opened for billionaires and monster corporations to control your politicians, primarying them.

So

Don't play along.

You're going to put forward policy we don't like.

Well, you're done.

There's no chance of ever getting these laws passed because they'll just primary you.

They not only won't fund you or finance you, they'll fund and finance your competitor and put you out of the game.

It is so deep and so dark and so dirty.

I literally was on the phone with my editor before I came on with you.

And I was like, Eric, this is a separate book.

And Doc, it is the same playbook.

That you're exactly right, that your industry uses, that my industry uses, that the military industrial complex uses.

It is filthy dirty.

There are things we can do, obviously.

Let's talk about the personal part of it.