Elan Barenholtz
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first heard Feb 2025
last heard Jun 2025
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Yeah, it's uh that sounds extremely similar to sort of uh to to the to the the initial insight.
Uh and and it's related to the sort of inverted qualia problem.
Um, you know, I don't know why your red is my r is is not my green and and vice versa.
And and it's because uh the linguistic representation uh doesn't capture uh you know, we can think again, it lives in a completely different uh embedding space.
And when we think about the redness of red, well, it's it's qualitatively similar to orange in in, you know, there's sort of a continuum between those.
Those qualitative similarities are really only contained
uh and only understandable by the sensory perceptual system.
And we can talk about them.
We can sort of say, yeah, red is a little more similar to orange, but uh that's because uh you know we we we have a sort of very coarse um you know maybe uh via this kind of latent space uh we're we're able to kind of uh refer to certain kinds of properties um in a way that is useful uh
uh for for uh communication.
But as far as that raw qualitative property, um that
comes to us not it's not it's it's primitive um in the sense that we can't unpackage it linguistically, but it's not primitive in the sense that there's extraordinary cognitive machinery uh that is responsible for that qualitative uh you know think about think about the world of animals and what they do with color um and and how well they understand shape and how they way they understand uh uh space.
All of that is uh unavailable.
uh to our linguistic system.
It's available, by the way, to us, uh our sensory perceptual system, but it's unavailable to linguistic system because it doesn't live in the same space at all.
And so I think what you're describing actually sounds extremely similar.
The idea that we can't really dip in, it's it's simply the wrong map.
We can't map this map onto that map at all.
We can go to this maybe the potentially shared latent space, or maybe again, maybe my account's wrong and there there's some more direct kind of
of of handshake that happens between these systems.
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