Eleanor Gordon Smith
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And the path to him changing his mind was really striking in the way that it focused on who he believed rather than what he believed. And here's what I mean by that. So Dylan met his wife, his wife now, whose name is Missy. They met when they were both working in a restaurant. And they had this... astonishing chemistry from the moment that they first met.
And the path to him changing his mind was really striking in the way that it focused on who he believed rather than what he believed. And here's what I mean by that. So Dylan met his wife, his wife now, whose name is Missy. They met when they were both working in a restaurant. And they had this... astonishing chemistry from the moment that they first met.
And the path to him changing his mind was really striking in the way that it focused on who he believed rather than what he believed. And here's what I mean by that. So Dylan met his wife, his wife now, whose name is Missy. They met when they were both working in a restaurant. And they had this... astonishing chemistry from the moment that they first met.
And Missy knew that she wanted to be with him. She knew that she wanted to marry him. But she also wasn't a member of the sect. And for her, the thought that Dylan was a member of this sect and would continue to be one was a really horrifying thought. So she kind of privately resolved that she was going to try to change his mind.
And Missy knew that she wanted to be with him. She knew that she wanted to marry him. But she also wasn't a member of the sect. And for her, the thought that Dylan was a member of this sect and would continue to be one was a really horrifying thought. So she kind of privately resolved that she was going to try to change his mind.
And Missy knew that she wanted to be with him. She knew that she wanted to marry him. But she also wasn't a member of the sect. And for her, the thought that Dylan was a member of this sect and would continue to be one was a really horrifying thought. So she kind of privately resolved that she was going to try to change his mind.
She spent like close to six years doing this bizarre charade where she would pretend to him that she was a believer, that she was open to the teachings of the sect. And in fact, surreptitiously trying to sow doubt in his mind and to get him to start to question some of the things that he'd taken as orthodoxy since he was a kid.
She spent like close to six years doing this bizarre charade where she would pretend to him that she was a believer, that she was open to the teachings of the sect. And in fact, surreptitiously trying to sow doubt in his mind and to get him to start to question some of the things that he'd taken as orthodoxy since he was a kid.
She spent like close to six years doing this bizarre charade where she would pretend to him that she was a believer, that she was open to the teachings of the sect. And in fact, surreptitiously trying to sow doubt in his mind and to get him to start to question some of the things that he'd taken as orthodoxy since he was a kid.
And ultimately what happened was in fact nothing to do with Missy's own project. What happened was something quite different, which was that one of Dylan's elders came to Dylan and said, you have to choose between your salvation and your wife. Like we have thought about it and we think that your wife is a threat to the congregation and we want her gone.
And ultimately what happened was in fact nothing to do with Missy's own project. What happened was something quite different, which was that one of Dylan's elders came to Dylan and said, you have to choose between your salvation and your wife. Like we have thought about it and we think that your wife is a threat to the congregation and we want her gone.
And ultimately what happened was in fact nothing to do with Missy's own project. What happened was something quite different, which was that one of Dylan's elders came to Dylan and said, you have to choose between your salvation and your wife. Like we have thought about it and we think that your wife is a threat to the congregation and we want her gone.
So you can either stay with her and lose your chance at eternal redemption, or you can stay with us and lose her, but you cannot have both. And Dylan had this moment of thinking, look, anyone who could look at my wife and not see a fundamentally good and loving person who is a wonderful influence on the people around her, must be someone who's capable of making mistakes.
So you can either stay with her and lose your chance at eternal redemption, or you can stay with us and lose her, but you cannot have both. And Dylan had this moment of thinking, look, anyone who could look at my wife and not see a fundamentally good and loving person who is a wonderful influence on the people around her, must be someone who's capable of making mistakes.
So you can either stay with her and lose your chance at eternal redemption, or you can stay with us and lose her, but you cannot have both. And Dylan had this moment of thinking, look, anyone who could look at my wife and not see a fundamentally good and loving person who is a wonderful influence on the people around her, must be someone who's capable of making mistakes.
So for him, that moment was the domino that, you know, the first domino to tip and then it made the others cascade on downwards. And from that phone call, it was a matter of like three days before he was out of the sect forever because what had happened for Dylan was nothing to do with an argument or nothing to do with what he believed. It was entirely to do with who he believed.
So for him, that moment was the domino that, you know, the first domino to tip and then it made the others cascade on downwards. And from that phone call, it was a matter of like three days before he was out of the sect forever because what had happened for Dylan was nothing to do with an argument or nothing to do with what he believed. It was entirely to do with who he believed.
So for him, that moment was the domino that, you know, the first domino to tip and then it made the others cascade on downwards. And from that phone call, it was a matter of like three days before he was out of the sect forever because what had happened for Dylan was nothing to do with an argument or nothing to do with what he believed. It was entirely to do with who he believed.
And it was the situation where his trust in his wife was so great that
And it was the situation where his trust in his wife was so great that