Eleanor Herman

Okay. All right. So, George, okay. Let's move across to Thomas Jefferson. Hmm.

Okay. All right. So, George, okay. Let's move across to Thomas Jefferson. Hmm.

Was it scandalous at the time? I mean, I know that he was the president and his political enemies would have been on the hunt for anything that they could get their teeth into, but a slave owner having a family with an enslaved woman, how scandalous would that have been at the time?

Was it scandalous at the time? I mean, I know that he was the president and his political enemies would have been on the hunt for anything that they could get their teeth into, but a slave owner having a family with an enslaved woman, how scandalous would that have been at the time?

Was it scandalous at the time? I mean, I know that he was the president and his political enemies would have been on the hunt for anything that they could get their teeth into, but a slave owner having a family with an enslaved woman, how scandalous would that have been at the time?

It's just awful. The thing that I can't get my head around that. I mean, you just keep going and it just gets worse and worse. But how could you enslave your own children? That blows my mind.

It's just awful. The thing that I can't get my head around that. I mean, you just keep going and it just gets worse and worse. But how could you enslave your own children? That blows my mind.

It's just awful. The thing that I can't get my head around that. I mean, you just keep going and it just gets worse and worse. But how could you enslave your own children? That blows my mind.

And what happened to Sally? What do we know about her, Sally Hemings? Was she ever freed? Did he ever free her?

And what happened to Sally? What do we know about her, Sally Hemings? Was she ever freed? Did he ever free her?

And what happened to Sally? What do we know about her, Sally Hemings? Was she ever freed? Did he ever free her?

And at the time, this seems like it was quite a scandal. It seems like it's quite an open secret. But it was one of those kind of did they, didn't they, what was really going on? Is it just a vicious rumor for a long, long time? But they did actually prove this with DNA evidence, didn't they? That this is what happened. Yeah.

And at the time, this seems like it was quite a scandal. It seems like it's quite an open secret. But it was one of those kind of did they, didn't they, what was really going on? Is it just a vicious rumor for a long, long time? But they did actually prove this with DNA evidence, didn't they? That this is what happened. Yeah.

And at the time, this seems like it was quite a scandal. It seems like it's quite an open secret. But it was one of those kind of did they, didn't they, what was really going on? Is it just a vicious rumor for a long, long time? But they did actually prove this with DNA evidence, didn't they? That this is what happened. Yeah.

I think you can go out on a limb and say that. I think I would agree with you there, Eleanor. So Thomas Jefferson is a jerk, and that would be putting it very, very mildly. Is he the worst one that you found in your research? Was he the worst one that just made you go, oh, God, no, no. Put it away. Keep it in your pants, you horrible man.

I think you can go out on a limb and say that. I think I would agree with you there, Eleanor. So Thomas Jefferson is a jerk, and that would be putting it very, very mildly. Is he the worst one that you found in your research? Was he the worst one that just made you go, oh, God, no, no. Put it away. Keep it in your pants, you horrible man.

I think you can go out on a limb and say that. I think I would agree with you there, Eleanor. So Thomas Jefferson is a jerk, and that would be putting it very, very mildly. Is he the worst one that you found in your research? Was he the worst one that just made you go, oh, God, no, no. Put it away. Keep it in your pants, you horrible man.

We have spoken about JFK before. And he didn't ever, ever stay faithful to his wife, Jackie. Like, not even a little bit, did he?

We have spoken about JFK before. And he didn't ever, ever stay faithful to his wife, Jackie. Like, not even a little bit, did he?

We have spoken about JFK before. And he didn't ever, ever stay faithful to his wife, Jackie. Like, not even a little bit, did he?