Elena Verna

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Lenny's Podcast: Product | Career | Growth · 10 growth tactics that never work | Elena Verna (Amplitude, Miro, Dropbox, SurveyMonkey) · 19 Jan 2025 podcast

There's interim engagements where there's a predetermined end date to your agreement.

There's fractional um engagements where you're working part time um on

Something as opposed to engulfing yourself completely full-time.

There's other ways to create courses.

There's a way to create newsletters and monetize them.

Like you're doing, Lenny's such a fantastic job.

So there's just so many options and people are sometimes paralyzed by fear of instability that it creates when you start to explore other options because you don't have that contract.

with that one company that provides you that paycheck um every two weeks to uh

rely on, but at the same time, uh, you can create diversification for your career and you can create stability.

It just depends on when you need to pull that trigger and when is the right time for you to explore.

But to spend your entire career

Only assuming full time is the only way, I think, is a complete mistake that a lot of people are doing.

So uh this advice of op sh career optionality being the ultimate North Star for anybody.

uh in their professional journey is something that I'm very um is I'm very strong on because a lot of people have the goal of, I don't know, maybe

I wanna be a VP or I wanna become a CEO or I don't know, I wanna be a manager and I wanna like people manage.

And this becomes their North Star and they start working towards it.

But a lot of people, when they get to their perceived corporate latter North Stars, find themselves extremely dissatisfied, depressed even by how terrible that job is.

Could people manage your job?

I wouldn't wish it on my worst enemy.

Because it's a terrible job if you don't enjoy it.

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