Elizabeth Phillips

You've got tennis, and then you've got canoeing, and then you're going to make a craft, and then there's theme parties at night.

Um, so, that's when the boys and the girls interact, is at these theme parties at night.

And they'll send you the list of what the themes are gonna be, so you can pack your trunk for camp with, like, fun costumes for the theme nights.

Um, and so, I actually, I hated it.

I hated camp, like, the first few years.

I was just super homesick.

I liked it more as I got older.

Um, but I had no idea what was going on with the abuse.

It was, now in hindsight,

It was interesting how I got Kickapoo Princess at K-Country under Pete Newman's directorship.

I always got the best dancer award.

I wasn't the best dancer.

Like, things like that, just to show favoritism to our family whenever... They have this thing called Winter Trail, I think they still do it, where they travel around in the off-season and go to different people's homes to fundraise and to recruit.

like these marketing events, they would always want to stay at our house, and we'd host things for them in Dallas.

We'd let them borrow our car to go to a church, you know, out in one of the suburbs and do their presentation there.

So we were definitely targeted, and they targeted a lot of families that, you know, had influence or money and stuff, and so...

It's a little bit different than what you typically hear in these situations where it's children that are vulnerable because they've been in foster care or they have... they're in poverty or something.

They were targeting, like, the elite evangelical crowd.

No, because they're all about money.

So it started out as a nonprofit, and then they conveniently restructured at certain key dates.