Elizabeth Phillips

Um, because they wanted to make you feel VIP and special and then offer, you know, hunting trips or, you know, Joe White flies around on his private plane and, um... Are you, I'm talking about, were you targeted, was your family targeted because they wanted to abuse your brother for the money or for both?

Oh, both.

So, like, I feel like, uh, for Joe White, we were targeted because...

We had a nice house and could host events for them and donate to the ministry.

And then with Pete Newman, my brother's perpetrator, he was grooming us, giving us that special treatment at his camp.

Also because they wanted our donations, but because he wanted Trey.

I don't know.

I think I just, you know, if you look at the whole case, it does seem kind of coordinated.

Yeah.

So their materials have cited numbers like 27,000 teenagers per summer.

25,000 families go to Branson every year for summer camp.

Or I think more recently, I've seen numbers cited as like 10,000.

So I don't know if that's like dwindling or they're just, were they exaggerating their numbers?

But we're talking, it's not like a...

not a typical mom-and-pop shop kind of camp.

This is a mega ministry.

It's the largest summer camp in the world.

Well, yeah, but they are repeat customers, right?

People go through high school.

And then sometimes they'll do link year and then they'll go to college and be a counselor there.