Elizabeth Phillips

And then on the other side of college, you can do the Kanakuk Institute, which they've called like a master's in ethics, ironically.

And so you can, the pipeline is, that's why it's jokingly called the Kanakult.

And from my research, I don't even joke about it, it's like the can of Colts, right?

They keep you in, they suck you in, and you stay there to the point where people feel financially held hostage.

It's wild.

And so that's the pipeline, you know, from early childhood through adulthood, there's always a place for you at Kanakuk.

And so then you go to the Institute, then you can, like, work at Kanakuk beyond that in a leadership role.

So a lot of their staff, you know, they've grown up in this and stayed.

100% bought in, even those that have kids that were victimized.

It's crazy.

That's where it's like, you know, that's the cult piece of it, right?

It's like, why would you stay at an institution where your own child was abused?

It's crazy.

Yeah.

I mean, what do you want to know?

I have five years.

I mean, I can go through kind of like how we started this investigation out and where we are now and like... Let's talk about what happened.

Yeah, let's go back.

Okay, so...

My husband and I, we were living in North Carolina in our 20s.