Elizabeth Strout

Yes.

That's exactly it.

Right.

Yeah.

That came to me as I was slowly understanding.

I don't think I understood at that point that I wrote that line.

I don't think I understood the huge secret behind it at that point, because I found out about that secret about five minutes before Artie did.

I mean, you know, I realized, oh, now I get the whole... But anyway, but that idea of a child...

well, he's not a child, he's, you know, a young man, but of a child looking up to a parent in that way and thinking, no, you have to tell me what I can and cannot do in this world.

You know, you go first.

And if you do something, then that gives me permission to do it.

And that was just interesting to me to think.

It probably happens between...

mothers and daughters and mothers and sons but I was particularly interested in this son and this father so that's what it seemed to me that this son would say to his father but it probably in many cases is

Cross.

Cross.

Ken Cross.

The same way I get inside Bob Burgess' head or Tyler Kasky.

I mean, I have not had a problem going inside a man's head.

Maybe I should, but I haven't.