Ellie Roscher

Right.

So we're talking about harm in terms of like collision.

We love collision until we don't.

Right.

Then also in terms of like sexual assault and like that's we got it.

We got to be so careful there.

And then the last part that we need to we need to ban them in order to protect themselves.

Cis girls and women.

And we're seeing we have no federal sporting system that can make one decision for everybody.

So it's coming out in pockets.

It's very confusing in the states that are more inclusive of trans athletes.

You see a higher participation rate of girls and women.

And you see those girls and women reporting better experiences in sports.

Can you explain why that is?

Yeah, it's because if you actually care about girls and women, it's going to create this very wide open sporting opportunity where more people belong, where more people belong.

There's so many athletes who aren't like your brother, who just want to play.

Those are the states where they're creating ample opportunity when the stakes are low for everybody to play.

So going back to the fairness thing, if...

Who is winning is who has always won.

It's people who have money and time to get great coaching and great facilities, often from a family with two parents who love them.