Ellie Roscher

If we actually wanted to make sports fair, we would make it free for kids.

If we actually cared about fairness, we would be talking about money.

100%.

We'd be talking about race.

You are correct.

We would be talking about opportunity.

But we really pick and choose in terms of fairness.

If we wanted to talk about fairness, we would talk about having...

Categories in sport on height, weight, strength, GDP, family income.

You know what?

So we're OK with it being unfair in certain ways.

But in this one particular way, we're going to get really, really up in arms.

Okay.

So yeah, we need to learn a lot more about testosterone.

It's way more interesting than we think that it is.

Testosterone overlaps between cis women and cis men all of the time.

We don't have good research because we don't research women and we don't research trans people because we don't care about them.

So like we're way behind in the science.

We get to have that conversation, but ultimately you look at a Michael Phelps, it's unfair.

His body is unfair.