Emily Maitlis

That was all factored in to Wes Streeting's resignation.

John Healey has no ambitions to be the Prime Minister.

He has the ambitions to be the Defence Secretary and do a good job at a difficult time when the whole relationships of Western security are up for grabs and everything is changing and we are in a period of flux and he wanted to put the British Armed Forces on a solid footing with European Armed Forces.

He had no further ambitions other than to do that.

So when someone like him goes, you just think, oh my God, it must be rotten business.

At the core.

And I think that that is why it's so dangerous.

And I think that to your point, Emily, about, you know, how long does Starmer go on?

Can you really see?

Just close your eyes.

Can you see Keir Starmer delivering the leader's speech at the Labour Party conference at the end of September?

This is what we're going to do as a country.

He'll be on his way out.

He's surely got to be on his way out before then and a new leader in place.

I agree with you.

But, you know, look... I mean, that's the Sanchez, that's the Spanish model, right?

Sorry, but it's not our top priority.

And 10 years ago, that argument would have had

force and validity that the generals all they want is increased spending they want more kit they want more officers they want more this they want more that that has always been the complaint about the mod we have had the invasion of ukraine by russia we have seen the threat that that poses and we've also seen donald trump in the white house utterly ambivalent about nato and article 5 and that does present huge logistical difficulties

Because it's not just British defence manufacturers.