Emily Maitlis

We used to buy most of our kit from America.

That was the big place where we bought stuff from.

You know, you look at the Trident nuclear missiles, they're run by America.

We don't have autonomous control over Trident, even though we spend billions and billions each year.

It's all American kit.

Well, if we're not going to be yoked to America for our defence, then we need to start changing it.

And so, therefore, I think the defence portfolio undoubtedly...

you know just the facts on the ground have changed it and made it more important that the defense of the nation is vital and so when john healy someone like that goes i don't think he was it was a case of institutional capture i think it was something that he was responding to the changing events in the world which i think that broadly speaking has cross-party agreement from you know from i totally agree i don't i mean you know he just his his resignation has fielded lots of very um

It's so interesting, isn't it?

Because we just have no idea.

I mean, the one thing we know

If Andy McBurnham becomes the prime minister next week, next month, three months, six months, I don't know.

The problems are the same.

I mean, the problems are the size of the cake, how you divvy it up, how you grow the economy.

What does growth look like?

What are you going to do?

What are you going to do about tax and spend?

Those problems do not go away.

Just because Andy Burnham comes in as prime minister, he may be able to communicate it much better.

He will manage relationships with the Parliamentary Labour Party probably much better.