Emily Vernem

I have seen, Billy was very excitedly showing me a flip phone in a shop the other day, but it did have a camera.

It wasn't like an old school flip phone.

Are you talking about kind of getting away from our...

And so like maybe we'll bring the iPhone when we feel an iPhone is needed but the rest of the time.

Yeah.

Like iPhone maybe stays at work.

Okay.

I did read this thing the other day about dance parties for like grown-up people and they're putting stickers on everybody's phones when they walk in.

Not because they think there's no alcohol or anything at these parties, by the way, but they're like they're kind of like a feel-good dance like nobody's watching kind of vibe and they're putting stickers on everyone's iPhone as a condition of entry because they say it changes the entire vibe.

of going dancing, going clubbing, having a good time.

As if you're just filming each other all the time and filming yourself.

I think you're right.

Do you follow the woman that I follow on TikTok and Instagram who's the Italian-American woman who does the really full-on makeup?

I think she's called Tagged Beauty.

No.

Oh, I'm going to give it as a recommendation.

I'll put a link in it.

So she, because she's a massive beauty influencer now and she is that.

She is, layers it on and her skin is terrible.

Like that as a point of the thing is like she does, here's my face and then she does the full face and she's like, if you're not having fun with makeup and if you're not transforming yourself to a place where your phone camera can't recognise you, why are you even bothering?