Emily Vernem

We've been talking about her all week.

We all know the legend of Anna Wintour, the bob and the sunglasses, the ice queen reputation.

She's the ultimate gatekeeper of global fashion.

And she wants you for the top job at Vogue China.

Whoa.

It's the dream, right?

This is not my story.

This did not happen to me.

This happened to friend of the pod, Grace Lam, from Mum Mia's Unleashed podcast.

She got that exact call.

And in this week's episode of Unleashed, she talked about how her reaction was not at all what you would expect.

Have a listen.

She doesn't mess around, Grace.

I'm obsessed.

I'm obsessed with this story because it is the sort of opportunity where we are socialised to say yes to something of that magnitude.

And slightly because it is...

kind of a universal slash ubiquitous dream, even if it's not necessarily your dream.

So I wanted to ask you two, when you heard that story, are there any...

kind of examples that come to mind of things that you've said no to that in hindsight, you're like, that was a bloody big thing to say no to.

I didn't like it.