Emily Vernem

But what I really love about it is that you start asking what you would do within your own family when you see something weird.

So there's this cousin turns up in kind of the family home with their child and he's taken the child from overseas, away from the child's mother.

And the family's vibe is none of our business.

Cool.

We accept him in.

Whereas this host is the only one in the family who thought, I think she probably deserves to know where her child is and that's kind of where this all starts.

But it really challenges you to think about the times you bury your head in the sand when it comes to family members being odd, how it really, really...

sets the scene for intimate partner violence, how it sets the scene for really dodgy stuff to happen.

And I think for a lot of people, it might actually encourage you to think a little bit more broadly about your family members and the impact they might be having on other people.

But it is such, such a good show.

I'm completely obsessed.

Best quality kind of narrative storytelling investigation that I've listened to in a really long time.

Yeah, whenever I see leave-in conditioner, I think...

makes my hair look oily.

Yay.

Outlouders, don't forget to vote for us in the Australian Audio Awards.

Yes.

You know I love an award.

Yeah.

Em, I mean, you've already won a very fancy award.