Emily Vernem

Holly, you have a complicated relationship with your watch because you took it off during the break.

I did.

You've put it back on.

I've seen it on you.

Are you like a better person now?

No.

No.

Yeah, I want my ring to, when I go to it, be like, good sleep.

Yes.

So apparently what's happened too is that since like the 1980s or something, the trait of perfectionism is getting like greater and greater.

Yeah.

And it's like a mixture between being in a capitalist society but also all the messages we get which is like you personally can fix it.

Like, Holly, you personally are in total control of your health and if you just do the right things then you can live forever or whatever.

If you just become made of 90% cottage cheese.

Yes.

But then perfectionism also means that you fail your Pilates goal and so you go, oh, well, screw it, and then you don't move for the rest of the year, which isn't good for anyone.

It's black and white thinking.

Yeah.

I just know it's stealing other people's work.

And it's ridiculous.