Emily Witt

What are they bringing?

You know, I think everything in his training from his decades as a police officer was telling him nothing about this made sense, which is kind of crazy.

Yeah, he was involved in a police reform program in Newark and he'd been in Newark for his entire career.

Came to Minneapolis in 2022 to help reform the department.

Inherited a department that was losing officers or had been losing officers previously.

He was trying to build it back up.

He was understaffed, essentially.

And on top of that, all the officers that he had that had been working in 2020 had some form of sort of like

stress or trauma or anxiety that's now, he said, being reactivated.

He used the word triggered, which, again, I've never heard a policeman use this language.

But he was saying all these old wounds are being triggered.

And he's really worried about a mass exodus from his department.

He said, he told me 100, in his department of 600 officers, 100 of them are retirement age.

So he's like, in theory, if this gets bad enough,

a hundred people could leave.

And then what would they do?

Fry was telling me that he had had virtually zero communication with the federal government.

This was before the shooting of Alex Bredy.

Since then, he's had conversations with Tom Homan, who's now taking over the operation in Minneapolis.

and he has spoken to the president as well.