Emma Grede

that side of things when it comes to your book deals and the, as you say, the strategy of what you're building, this media empire.

What are those two versions of Sarah look like?

Oh, so I would just think about you as an excellent CEO and leader, right?

Because, and here's one of the things that I love to talk about all the time, that as a woman in a leadership position, we always envisage that we need to have the answers to absolutely everything, that you need to be the best.

And actually you need to be great at what you're great at.

And then you need to find all of the people around you to do and execute the rest.

What you are is just an excellent leader.

You're an excellent CEO.

It doesn't mean to say you need to be, you know, you don't need to do the books.

You don't need to do the finances.

You don't need to do the visual.

You need to have the vision and tell everybody where to go.

Do you have lessons in leadership that you feel like over the years, like what has changed in your style of leadership and how you come into the kind of business of what it is that you do?

Yeah.

What's he doing over there?

I want to talk to you about money, my favorite subject.

You grew up in, as you say, a house of faith.

Yes.

And I guess that that would have given you a very specific relationship with money.

And I just wondered how it shaped your idea of money and how you think about wealth and earning money now.