Emma Grede

When you can't choose joy in the moment.

Fair.

Do you believe that that's where some of the money challenges came from?

Like you not being in the centre of all the decision making?

No, I watched that on the documentary because I was like, you know, there was something about like a $70,000 plant bill, which I absolutely like loved in a kind of posh way.

Yeah.

I didn't even know you could spend that much on plants.

Being heroes, what kind of plants do you have?

A rainforest in there.

But I get it.

It's like, you know, you can have some beautiful plants and some beautiful flowers and you can get carried away with the fact that that's there and they're being watered.

And so what now are you looking at to make sure that those things don't happen?

Plastic plants.

I know that I've been in positions where I'm like, all of this is a business fundamental.

But when you find something like that, of course, you're like, OK, that's easy to cut.

What else did you have to look at?

And what do you think those financial pressures have led you to doing differently today?

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