Emma Grede

What were you imagining at that point in time?

Did you have a vision that it could be anything like it is today?

Yeah.

I mean, that was really early on.

And I remember when we started Good American, we had the same, I remember looking at your brand and saying to our board at that point, I was like, well, Tori's doing it.

And you were the only ones that were doing it and doing it successfully.

They were like, park it for now.

You know who else is Tom's?

I was kind of, I thought that was kind of interesting.

Although it was just

Yeah, because it was like a single, you know, it was like just this one shoe.

It felt different, but we were really benchmarking.

I remember in the beginning going like, there is so, like Tori is doing this and she seems to be like making a business out of it.

Doing my best, I'm not sure.

You said early on that you didn't feel like a designer.

how long did it take you to kind of own that part of your- I would say, you know, a long time.

You started the company with your husband.

Yeah.

And that's no longer the arrangement that you have now.

So I'm interested to understand what was kind of happening behind the scenes there.