Eric Jorgensen

I think even he would have regrets on this.

Or are there any?

And it's just public, you know, sort of perception of him.

Yeah, no, I've certainly felt the same thing.

I always do giggle though.

I do think this is like a little victim mindset to say, but I do think like women get a rougher edge on this one.

Like they're not, it's not seen as good of a thing when you're non-empathetic, um,

Um, like Alex Cooper's getting trolled in the news right now for being like too hardcore of a place.

Like she's like one of the top podcasters in the world, totally create an ecosystem.

I bet she's tough.

I bet she's not super nice all the time.

Like why are we shocked by this?

So I kind of come back to that with Elon too, which is like, if you want to do really hard, big things, you have to make really hard, big, uncomfortable decisions that most people would probably find just about as comfortable as sandpaper on skin.

Yeah.

Yeah.

And so if you get that feedback, like, and you're listening, I guess it's like, just know that that's okay.

Like that is probably what it takes at the highest level of the game.

Yeah.

I mean, I was talking to the CEO of YouTube, whose name is Neil Monahan, and he's an incredible dude.

And it was interesting because he's like, they were asked, what's the hardest part about being a leader at your level?