Eric Schwalm

um anything you got to look at what what effects you're looking to produce it can you can use an actual weapon and that's mostly when they get to the higher order uh insurgencies the later stages is when you'll see them get to weaponry uh initially it's just going to be uh sabotage and if you you can look at you know you know poisoning something as a poisoning a person or mixing up their food or giving them a laxative or something like that

as a weapon if you use it correctly.

The same thing for a protest.

A protest applied at the right place at the right time is a weapon, but it's got to be well-coordinated and produce the effect that you're looking to do.

And if you think about one of the effects that we're seeing right now is in Congress, they're talking about defunding ICE, and it comes from pressure like these protests.

So a weapon in insurgencies can be anything which produces the effect that you're looking for.

That is the definition of terrorism, at least according to, I believe, the State Department, because you have to go over whose definition of terror that you're using, because there's multiple definitions out there of terrorism and the ability to say that something is terror or a terrorist is power all by itself.

Like I right here, Eric Schwab, I can't call you a terrorist and have it stick.

It takes somebody with enough power and enough capability and enough legitimacy to actually call you a terrorist.

And they've got to have the definition that goes along with it.

I think first off, I got to give credit where credit is due.

That's an incredible capability to set up.

I've been doing this for a long time.

I've got a lot of my peers that have been doing this for a long time.

And that's not something we're setting up in a weekend.

You know, when we sit there and say this is like, you know, it's instantaneous and people are doing this at that level of sophistication to get a thousand people to show up.

I don't have I don't know if you have that capability to sit there and say, hey, we're going to show up here at eight o'clock tomorrow morning.

We're going to have a thousand people on a chat line.

We're going to be rotating in two hour sequences.

I'm going to I will have certain people that you'll call in to call out that that level of sophistication.