Eric Schwalm

You have to give credit where credit is due.

That's some they have some capabilities going on there.

And like I said, like respects like it would be if I was overseas and I could get that kind of an op running, I would be pretty happy.

I would assume so.

I would very much assume so.

And that's probably one of the reasons that I wrote what I wrote is you can't, like if you look at what ICE and CBP are out there doing right now, they are our foot soldiers out there.

Their job has nothing to do with dealing with crowd control.

They're not prepared operationally to deal with protesters.

I'm not taking anything away from their capabilities, but

them trying to do that right now is the same problem we experienced back in 2003 is where everybody had a specific job but when you look at if it actually is a hierarchical organization that you're dealing with we're all dealing down here with the bottom but there's no pressure being put on the people up above and you have to sit there and say is there a network is there a hierarchy out there and that's where this become my letter becomes important is because

You have to bring in this.

You can't just keep sending more ice there and more CBP there.

You have to have an organization to deal with an organization and you have to have leadership.

You have to have authorities, you've got to have funding, you've got to have command and control, and all of it has to be organized to go against the network that you're dealing with, wherever the network is showing up.

I think probably one of the key things that really started to make me pay more attention is what happened when they got Maduro.

uh within so roughly what around midnight two o'clock in the morning is when the first reports started coming out of venezuela uh roughly around eight nine ten o'clock in the morning stateside we had people out there you know having a protest they got signs the signs all look alike they managed to get the sticks to put the signs on that kind of turn around i can't like again if you think about what normal people capability is

to run off signs to, to produce the, uh, the, the, so the signs all look like to go down to, uh, your local print shop and print all those off and then, you know, run down to home Depot and get a whole bunch of sticks.

If I was to sit there and call up, you know, even my SF brother and out there to sit there and try and run something like this, you know, we would start on Sunday, maybe by Wednesday, we might be able to get this going.

They did it in a metal, a matter of hours.

And,