Eric Topol

Before I get into that, when you made that discovery back in 86, a lot of people called it a eureka moment.

You called it a holy shit moment.

Yeah, no, it's amazing.

We're getting into the rheumatoid arthritis, both the trial that you did, remarkable trial with the sham control and the approval by the FDA, which it really tells us that the progress is finally, you passed the threshold and decades of work is really gathered.

But before we do that,

You go through some remarkable patient anecdotes in the Great Nerve book.

One that is so striking is Kelly Owens.

Can you tell us about her story?

Yeah, well, she attributes you to saving her life, and it's pretty impressive.

Now, there's another story.

I mean, there's so many, but the first person, Pedro, or Piro, who was with rheumatoid arthritis,

who was treated with vagal nerve stimulation.

Tell us a bit about him.

You know, it's fantastic.

Now, of course, these are anecdotes.

They're really striking.

But the real test, of course, the acid test is to do the randomized trial.

You did that.

It was published in Nature Medicine in December.

We'll put in the links when this is archived.