Erin Holland

Yeah, I know how hard it takes and what has to happen for all the stars to align and a baby to be brought into this world.

And yeah, I'm lost for words.

I'm just gibbering at this point.

That's been about the only symptom that I've actually had, which is a whole other story.

Like, have you been to Turkey?

I was like, no, no, I haven't.

I must... Actually, to be honest...

Because I've been on IVF for such a long time, as soon as you say, I'm just in the throes of another round, which technically I am, it's just this one's progressed a little further than the others.

Everyone's pretty good about that.

But I think my mum said to me, I thought you were looking healthier, as only mothers can.

A little bit more shape.

I love that.

He's a pretty guarded person when it comes to this.

And again, we've had such loss.

And I think as I've completely broken apart, he's always felt like he's had to be the strong pillar and to try and hold it together.

And I've really tried to encourage him to

actually break down those walls and be vulnerable, which I think is really hard for a lot of men in general.

And he tries to be very stoic and very pragmatic.

And this line of fertility is not always straightforward.

It's definitely not black and white.