Evan Smith

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503 appearances 1 recordings 1 series first heard Jul 2026 last heard 27 Jul

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Decoder with Nilay Patel · Tariffs didn’t bring manufacturing jobs back to the US · 27 Jul 2026 podcast

I don't think that, um, we certainly haven't solved it.

Uh, you're, we're starting to chip away at the edges of some of these things where, um,

I'm sure you've heard of and you've had conversations around harnesses.

Yeah, so putting real scaffolding around the code base and how these systems interact with each other and follow rules and test themselves.

So that's getting better and better and it's getting more degrees of freedom to ship quickly.

and run those tests and make sure things aren't breaking.

But it's not a panacea and we're not in the promised land of just like infinite coding and infinite roadmap as much as the hype would say otherwise.

Well, let's have the conversation first about internal costs.

I think every –

tech company and everybody in the tech industry is having the same AI conversation at the same time.

It's like my observation.

So it's fine.

As soon as I heard on a podcast, we started internally saying, you know, some of these like frontier frontier model cost per token are just getting crazy.

And what are we going to do to get observability and controls?

And should we flip the permissioning model where, you know, you have to get permissioned into fable and not the other way around and

And everyone's having the conversation at the same time, but it's, you know, it's like 20 bucks, 50 bucks, a million tokens.

So it's, it's, you know, their, their economics are kind of forcing the conversation.

That being said, we've really not seen, we've really not seen token spend impact our bottom line in a material way, right?

Like, you know, on the, sure, on,

on the very margin as it gone up.

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