Ezra Klein

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767 appearances 2 recordings 1 series first heard Mar 2026 last heard 11 Sep

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Hard Fork · The Ezra Klein Show: The A.I. Revolt Is Here · 11 Sep 2026 podcast

Like you have a product problem. voice-verified

Because people are not going to want that future. voice-verified

Right. voice-verified

I think people can believe things that they don't feel, if that makes sense. voice-verified

And I think a lot of people in the industry are in a culture and inside arguments where this set of outcomes feels very real, right, or looks very real. voice-verified

And so I think they believe it. voice-verified

I think when they make these arguments, I don't think they're just doing it for publicity points. voice-verified

In fact, I think it's the opposite. voice-verified

I think when they're now trying to move away from some of these arguments, I think it's actually much more of like a cynical marketing ploy. voice-verified

But I think they often believe these things without actually like in their bones feeling it, which is sort of why they act relatively heedlessly. voice-verified

Yeah. voice-verified

Or at least like on the set of things they believe. voice-verified

Yeah. voice-verified

Like this speculative notional set of beliefs about what might happen is way less close to their core than their belief that if they don't build this data center or get this next model out, like their competitors or China or somebody is going to get in front of them. voice-verified

And they're much more motivated by the push forward. voice-verified

I agree with that. voice-verified

And I think that's why the China card in this has been such like a destructive part of the argument. voice-verified

I'm not even sure it's totally untrue. voice-verified

Like I am completely willing to believe that China and America are in a race for a economically and geopolitically important technology, even if you don't buy like recursive superintelligence. voice-verified

But the way that has been used to not say, well, we should enter into international negotiations or something, but instead just like. voice-verified

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