Ezra Klein

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767 appearances 2 recordings 1 series first heard Mar 2026 last heard 11 Sep

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Hard Fork · The Ezra Klein Show: The A.I. Revolt Is Here · 11 Sep 2026 podcast

And then, you know, ordinary users, small businesses, et cetera. voice-verified

If you believe AI is important and powerful, and I believe it is important and powerful, then you have a problem where you have created much more stratification and who can afford it. voice-verified

How do you think about those dimensions of it? voice-verified

You were in China for a trip reporting on AI. voice-verified

Was there much political AI backlash and ferment there from what you could see? voice-verified

There's been some reporting that China and Russia are pushing sort of anti-data center memes and social media bots. voice-verified

It's hard for me to tell what scale that is, but it has been very much picked up on by people like Kevin O'Leary, the Shark Tank guy whose big data center project has faced a lot of backlash. voice-verified

Do you buy the sort of growing view among at least some tech elite that the data center backlash is like a Chinese psyop? voice-verified

So when you talk to people in the AI companies and sort of talk to them about this backlash, I know they're very worried about this, right? voice-verified

I've talked to them about this. voice-verified

What are they learning from it? voice-verified

Yeah, the version of this I've heard is we have a marketing problem. voice-verified

Maybe we should stop saying aloud so often voice-verified

our technology might take everybody's job and has a 10% chance of upending or destroying humanity altogether. voice-verified

What has not been clear to me, even as they begin to like maybe move away from that messaging a little bit, is whether or not they no longer believe that. voice-verified

Again, I am my personal view is like, I don't think it's going to take everybody's job. voice-verified

But to the extent they do, or at least they take that very, very seriously, it's like I keep hearing them say that we have a marketing problem. voice-verified

And I keep saying when I talk to them about this, that if you believe the things you have been saying and in fact the things you have told me personally, you don't have a marketing problem. voice-verified

You have a problematic technology. voice-verified

Yes. voice-verified

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