Ezra Klein

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767 appearances 2 recordings 1 series first heard Mar 2026 last heard 11 Sep

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Hard Fork · The Ezra Klein Show: How Fast Will A.I. Agents Rip Through the Economy? · 27 Mar 2026 podcast

What of the new qualities that we're seeing, the agentic qualities, are things that have been programmed in, you've built new ways for the system to interact with the world? voice-verified

And what of the skill at coding and other things seems to be emergent as you scale up the size of the model? voice-verified

The digital personality dimension of this voice-verified

remains the strangest space to me. voice-verified

So why don't you talk through a little bit about what you've seen in terms of the models exhibiting behaviors that one would think of as a personality, and then as its understanding of its own personality maybe changes, its behaviors change. voice-verified

But you've also seen strange things emerge in terms of the system seeming to know when it's being tested and acting differently if it's under evaluation. voice-verified

The system doing things that are wrong and then developing a sense of itself as more evil and then doing more evil things. voice-verified

Can you talk a bit about the system's sort of emerging qualities under the pressure of evaluation and assessment? voice-verified

As an AI shop that is often worried about safety, that has thought very hard, voice-verified

about what it means to create this thing you all are creating quite fast. voice-verified

How have you all experienced voice-verified

the emergence of the kinds of behaviors that you all worried about a couple of years ago. voice-verified

So I want to hold in this conversation the extremely weird and alien dimensions of this with the extremely straightforward and practical dimensions because we're now in a place where the practical applications have become very evident and are increasingly acting upon the real world. voice-verified

I have found it myself hard to look at this and look at what people are doing and look at them bragging on different social media platforms about the number of agents they now have running on their behalf. voice-verified

and telling the difference between people enjoying the feeling of screwing around with a new technology and some actually transformative expansion and capabilities that people now have. voice-verified

So maybe to ground this a little bit, I mean, you just talked about a kind of fun side project in your species simulator. voice-verified

Either in anthropic or more broadly, what are people doing with these systems voice-verified

that seems actually useful. voice-verified

Are they much more effective? voice-verified

I mean this very seriously. voice-verified

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